HARRISBURG - (9/19/05, 3:00 p.m., Room 140, Main Capitol)

The House Select Committee on Student Academic Freedom held an informational meeting pursuant to House Resolution 177.

Members in attendance included: Chairmen Tom Stevenson (R-Allegheny), Lawrence Curry (Montgomery) and James Roebuck (D-Philadelphia) and Representatives Gib Armstrong (R-Lancaster), Richard Grucela (D-Northampton), Patrick Fleagle (R-Franklin), Thomas Quigley (R-Montgomery), Lynn Herman (R-Centre), Dan Surra (D-Elk) and John Pallone (D-Westmoreland)

HR 177 Armstrong, G. C. - (PN 2553) Resolution establishing a select committee to examine the academic atmosphere and the degree to which faculty have the opportunity to instruct and students have the opportunity to learn in an environment conducive to the pursuit of knowledge and truth at State-related and State-owned colleges and universities and community colleges in this Commonwealth. (Prior Printer Number: 1280, 2451)

Chairman Stevenson said this meeting would be the first of at least five hearings of the Select Committee on Student Academic Freedom. He said the purpose of this first meeting is to educate members on the meaning of academic freedom and intellectual diversity. He noted that the focus of their dictate under HR 177 is to look at institutions and not individual professors. Chairman Stevenson introduced the testifier saying that David French graduated from Harvard Law school, was a partner in a multi-state firm, and is the author of "FIRE'S Guide to Free Speech on Campus."

David French, President of the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education (FIRE), began his testimony stating that FIRE is a nonpartisan, secular organization headquartered in Philadelphia whose purpose is to preserve the marketplace of ideas on campuses and to restore those ideas where necessary.

He continued, stating the First Amendment applies to both students and faculty, and while colleges and universities may not restrict the freedom of speech, many universities have enacted speech codes that either by policy or practice prohibited speech that would otherwise be protected. According to French, speech codes have always been struck down when challenged in courts.

French said students are protected fully under the First Amendment yet they do not have the right to be taught what they want to hear or the right not to be offended. He added that teachers' freedom of speech rights are also very broad but can be limited in certain circumstances. He stressed that while teachers and should be free from state intrusion on matters of curriculum, it is not all right for a math teacher to use his or her position to advance a specific political ideology. French said that while private institutions have a wide latitude of freedoms which could include endorsing a particular religion, state universities cannot do so.

French then went through several examples of how particular policies may or may not pass constitutional muster and examples where certain organizations on college campuses have had their First Amendment rights abridged by universities. He went on to state that while he knows PA is laden with unconstitutional speech codes, he has not received a large number of complaints on this from PA students.

He closed by recommending that the select committee not go after individual professors but should investigate if schools are violating the Constitution. He stressed that in protecting the constitutional rights of students, the committee should not violate the rights of teachers.

Rep. Grucela asked about the relationship between the Patriot Act and free speech. French replied that in practice, the Patriot Act should have no bearing on the academic freedom dispute even though some have attempted to make the act apply in certain situations where they wanted speech halted. He reminded the committee that in the end, the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution overrides the Patriot Act.

Rep. Grucela asked if Penn State University could prevent a religious group from forming that advocated the torture of animals, the use of drugs, or the practice of polygamy. French replied that they could not stop the club from forming for advocating these practices but they could prevent the club from forming if they were engaging in criminal acts. Rep. Grucela next wondered if state institutions can prohibit the KKK from forming chapters on college campuses. French reiterated that they cannot do so based upon ideology but they can if the organization engages in unlawful activities. Rep. Grucela then asked if the same would apply to a group advocating for the violent overthrow the government. French replied that he knows that loyalty oaths have been struck down in the courts but admitted he has not seen this particular issue come up recently and would have to conduct more research before giving an answer.

Rep. Herman asked what students should do if they believe their rights have been abridged. French replied that many universities do not tell students what to do, and he feels the universities should work harder to provide a formal complaint process. He added that while FIRE has launched a large educational effort to educate students about their rights, students should always contact the appropriate officials on campus if they believe their rights have been abridged.

Rep. Fleagle questioned if French is aware of any university in another state that has appropriate policies and safeguards in place to protect against First Amendment violations. French responded that he has seen good policies but is not aware of one university that stands out above the others. He added that the 1940 AAUP statement on academic freedom is one of the best that he has seen but that universities often enact speech codes, which run counter to its intent. According to French, of all the universities that FIRE has investigated, 70% have constitutionally problematic policies in place.

Questioned by Rep. Fleagle if the complaints coming out of other states are different from those FIRE receives from PA, French said that the complaints are similar and tend to involve a misunderstanding of discrimination and harassment. He added that many students believe they are harassed simply because somebody has done something or said something that makes them upset but that this is not true. For student-to-student harassment to occur, French said the harassment must be so invasive than it denies a student the ability to be educated.

Rep. Pallone asked if there are any speech codes that have been struck down in PA. French replied that the only speech code struck down in PA that he is aware of occurred at Shippensburg University.

Rep. Pallone questioned how FIRE advises students. French said they ask for a complete accounting of the event with accompanying documents, investigate the school's policies, and encourage students to use the school's grievance procedures. He added that if the need does arise, FIRE will refer the case to pro bono attorneys for legal action.

Rep. Pallone then asked how FIRE is funded. French answered that they receive their funding from individuals and private foundations and do not charge students or teachers for their services.

Rep. Curry questioned how many times FIRE'S cases have gone to court. French replied that most cases they see are settled outside of court and on average only five or six cases per year are referred to pro bono attorneys for legal representation. He added that FIRE does have a project that actively challenges speech codes in place across the country.

Rep. Curry wondered if any institutions do not advise students on how to proceed if they believe their rights have been abridged. French stated universities are often good at explaining what to do in the case of harassment but are not good at explaining what constitutes harassment. He said universities are also not good at telling students what to do if they believe their First Amendment rights have violated. He suggested that one thing the select committee could do is to investigate what universities are doing to educate students on their First Amendment rights.

Asked by Rep. Curry if most complaints revolve around students concerned over the grades they received, French replied that they do not often see this type of complaint. He added that there is a widespread student perception that they often receive lower grades based upon their personal ideology.

Rep. Armstrong wondered if students should be responsible for themselves if their rights are violated like any other citizen without having to rely upon the university explaining their rights to them. French stated his belief that an education on basic civil rights should be occurring in the university environment because it is essential to the function of a civil society. Questioned by Rep. Armstrong if such a topic should be part of student's orientation or a separate class, French stated that he cannot make any curriculum suggestions.

Rep. Armstrong then asked if the ideological balance of faculty presents a problem. French replied that it is potentially a problem if it is accomplished through illegal means but from an academic standpoint it is beneficial to have a wide range of values and beliefs represented by the faculty of a school.

Rep. Armstrong then asked how the select committee should try to answer the question of intellectual diversity. French responded that he does not know if there are any PA studies on the issue but suggested it would be beneficial to know how intellectually diverse the state's faculty is currently. He added that if there is an issue, several ideas can be employed to correct the problem.

Rep. Armstrong closed by asking French if he has any general advice for the committee. French said it is critically important for the committee to investigate constitutionally unlawful acts. He quickly added that investigations into lawful behavior, especially those revolving around politically unpopular behavior, would have a chilling effect on academia.

Rep. Surra made it clear that he is opposed to the select committee and he believes French's testimony verifies that the committee is a waste of time and staff resources. He then asked if French agrees the state should not dictate what is appropriate for professors and students to say in class. French answered that he agrees with this statement as long as the professor is not violating the law.

Rep. Surra next questioned if it is true that FIRE only averages five or six cases per year and that only one of these has been in PA. French answered that FIRE does not receive all complaints but that they still get hundreds of complaints a year and are very good at settling them. He added that they receive a sufficient number of complaints every year for this to be declared a national crisis.

Rep. Surra then stated that as a rural representative he receives calls on all topics, but since he has been in office he has never received a call from a student complaining their academic freedom has been abridged. He then questioned if French would advocate affirmative action programs for the hiring of college professors. French quickly replied he would not suggest such a policy.

Rep. Surra then asked if French believes people are hired as college professors because of their ideology. French replied he believes this occurs, adding that the question is how often it occurs.

Rep. Surra questioned if a professor refused to instruct a gay student would that student's academic freedom be breached. French replied that it would.

Rep. Quigley asked French, if based upon the criteria of what the select committee should focus on, does French believe that violations are occurring. French replied that from a speech code standpoint, violations are occurring and are pervasive. He added that in other areas it is worth researching if universities are meeting their constitutional responsibilities. He stressed that the focus of the investigation should remain on constitutional issues.

Rep. Curry asked if French knows of any college or university in PA that asked for an individual's political affiliation on their application. French replied that he does not know of any college or university that asks such a question.

Chairman Stevenson thanked French for his testimony and for volunteering to assist the select committee in the future. He stated that he will be getting together with Rep. Curry in the future to plan three or four more hearings in the western, eastern and central parts of the state. He added that he believes the first of these meetings will most likely be in the western portion of the state toward the end of October or the beginning of November.

Rep. Pallone asked if the committee members would be meeting as a body to discuss the direction they would be taking and to go over the types of information they will be given to review. Chairman Stevenson told him that is one of the purposes of the meeting scheduled for next week.

 

 

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